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= Rapid Fire = | = Rapid Fire = | ||
'''Rapid Fire (RF)''' is a | '''Rapid Fire (RF)''' is a combat modifier between unit types. The catalog value (for example '''Γ5''') is how many '''shots''' one shooter expects against that target type in a round β OGame-style β not a free damage multiplier and not unlimited splash kills. | ||
RF is capped at ''' | RF is capped at '''40''' in combat calculations (so capital anti-fodder values in the '''Γ30βΓ40''' band are not clipped). Carrier screens can soften effective RF (see below). | ||
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== | == Core rules (remember these) == | ||
# '''One shot hits one target.''' Full weapon damage goes into that one unit. | |||
* Low RF | # '''Overkill is wasted.''' If you deal 100 damage to a 10-hull ship, the leftover '''90 does not''' jump to the next ship. | ||
* RF | # '''RF adds more shots''', not bigger guns. Expected shots β catalog RF when you keep hitting that RF type (after screens). | ||
# '''RF cannot invent kills''' if your attack is too weak to finish (or meaningfully chip) the target β you still need damage. | |||
# Soft / logistics hulls with RF '''1''' do '''not''' donate unused kill slots to capitals. | |||
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{| class="wikitable" | |||
!Without RF | |||
!With RF ΓR | |||
|- | |||
|'''1''' shot per living shooter per round | |||
|About '''R''' shots per living shooter per round (expected) against that target type | |||
|- | |||
|High attack vs soft swarm β mostly '''1 kill''' (rest overkill wasted) | |||
|High attack vs soft swarm β about '''R kills''' if each shot one-shots | |||
|- | |||
|Low attack vs tough hull β chips one target | |||
|Low attack Γ R shots β more total chip damage; may finish a wounded ship in the same round | |||
|} | |||
Β | |||
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== Worked examples == | |||
Numbers below are '''toy examples''' (one attacker, one round, ignore shields/screens) so the logic is obvious. Real battles also use [[Targeting and Priority|targeting priority]], shared [[Damage and Shields|shield pools]] (ships + turrets share one absorb), and Carrier RF cancel. | |||
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=== 1) Small attack vs higher hull β no RF === | |||
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* Attacker: '''10''' attack, '''no RF''' | |||
* Targets: ships with '''15''' hull each | |||
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{| class="wikitable" | |||
!What happens | |||
!Result | |||
|- | |||
|1 shot deals 10 into one ship | |||
|That ship goes '''15 β 5''' hull | |||
|- | |||
|No second shot | |||
|'''0 kills''' this round β target is wounded, not dead | |||
|- | |||
|Next rounds | |||
|Need another ~10 damage into the same (or another) hull to finish | |||
|} | |||
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'''Takeaway:''' Low attack without RF is slow; you chip, you do not clear lines in one volley. | |||
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=== 2) Small attack vs higher hull β with RF Γ2 === | |||
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* Attacker: '''10''' attack, '''RF Γ2''' against that type | |||
* Targets: '''15''' hull each | |||
Β | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!What happens | |||
!Result | |||
|- | |||
|Expected '''~2''' shots Γ 10 damage | |||
|About '''20''' damage applied as two separate hits | |||
|- | |||
|Shot 1 | |||
|One ship '''15 β 5''' | |||
|- | |||
|Shot 2 (often) | |||
|Finishes the wounded ship ('''5 β 0''') '''or''' chips a second ship | |||
|- | |||
|Compared to no RF | |||
|You can get a '''kill in one round''' that RF 1 could not | |||
|} | |||
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'''Takeaway:''' RF does not raise the gun from 10 β 20 on one hit. It gives '''another 10-damage shot'''. That is how low attack still βfeelsβ RF. | |||
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=== 3) Small attack vs lower hull β no RF vs RF Γ2 === | |||
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* Attacker: '''10''' attack | |||
* Targets: '''8''' hull each (one shot is enough to kill) | |||
Β | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!Setup | |||
!Per round (expected) | |||
|- | |||
|'''No RF''' | |||
|'''1 kill''' β 10 damage into one 8-hull ship; '''2 overkill wasted''' | |||
|- | |||
|'''RF Γ2''' | |||
|About '''2 kills''' β two separate one-shots; each wastes a little overkill | |||
|- | |||
|'''Not''' what happens | |||
|You do '''not''' get floor(10/8)=1 kill from leftover splash without RF, and you do '''not''' get floor(20/8)=2 from merging damage into one pool | |||
|} | |||
Β | |||
'''Takeaway:''' When you already one-shot the target, RF β '''extra kills per round''' equal to extra shots. | |||
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=== 4) Very high attack vs tiny hull β no RF === | |||
Β | |||
* Attacker: '''100''' attack, '''no RF''' | |||
* Targets: '''10''' hull swarm (20+ ships) | |||
Β | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!What happens | |||
!Result | |||
|- | |||
|1 shot dumps 100 into one 10-hull ship | |||
|'''1 kill'''; leftover '''90 is wasted''' | |||
|- | |||
|Rest of the swarm | |||
|Untouched this round by that shooter | |||
|- | |||
|Wrong intuition | |||
|Not β100Γ·10 = 10 killsβ | |||
|} | |||
Β | |||
'''Takeaway:''' Big guns without RF are '''inefficient vs soft spam''' β classic reason RF exists. | |||
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=== 5) Very high attack vs tiny hull β with RF Γ5 === | |||
Β | |||
* Attacker: '''100''' attack, '''RF Γ5''' against that soft type | |||
* Targets: '''10''' hull swarm | |||
Β | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!What happens | |||
!Result | |||
|- | |||
|Expected '''~5''' full shots | |||
|About '''5 kills''' per round if every shot hits that type and one-shots | |||
|- | |||
|Still wasted overkill | |||
|Each shot still throws away ~90 vs a 10-hull ship | |||
|- | |||
|Hard ceiling (feel) | |||
|About '''RF kills per shooter per round''', not millions from raw attackΓ·hull | |||
|- | |||
|Safety in the combat model | |||
|Destroys of a given type are also bounded by roughly '''shooter count Γ RF''' (and you still need the damage) | |||
|} | |||
Β | |||
'''Takeaway:''' Capitals shred swarms through '''many shots''', not by splashing one mega-hit across the whole blob. | |||
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=== 6) Capital vs fighter swarm β why high RF matters === | |||
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* Attacker: one [[Colossus]] (huge attack, '''RF Γ35''' vs [[Fighter]]) | |||
* Targets: a large Fighter swarm (each Fighter dies to one Colossus shot) | |||
Β | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!What happens | |||
!Result | |||
|- | |||
|Without meaningful RF (old feel: ~Γ3) | |||
|About '''3''' Fighters die per round β most of the Colossus gun is wasted as overkill into one tiny hull | |||
|- | |||
|With capital anti-fodder RF (~Γ35) | |||
|About '''35''' Fighters die per round from that one Colossus (still one kill per shot; leftover attack on each Fighter is wasted) | |||
|- | |||
|Still not unlimited | |||
|Ceiling is catalog RF (and the combat '''Γ40''' cap) β not βattack Γ· Fighter hullβ | |||
|} | |||
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'''How the three Realm 4 capitals split the job (feel, not a full table):''' | |||
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* [[Battlecruiser]] β strongest everyday '''screen clearer''' (Kamikaze / Fighter / Corvette / Frigate / soft logistics). | |||
* [[Titan]] β '''fleet breaker''': solid light RF plus the best mid-line Rapid Fire (Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Heavy Cruiser, Dreadnought). | |||
* [[Colossus]] β highest light-fodder RF and the siege kit (soft turrets / domes), so a lone capital is no longer helpless against crumb swarms. | |||
Β | |||
Carrier screens still cut enemy RF (at most by half) β swarms with Carriers remain a real answer, just not βignore every capital.β | |||
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'''Takeaway:''' Capitals counter fodder the OGame way β '''many shots''' β not with %-damage reduction vs lower tiers. | |||
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=== 7) Same tonnage, different hulls β who clears the screen? === | |||
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Roughly '''one Colossus of tonnage''' (~'''2830''') as four fleets, '''no research''', asking how many soft hulls they can '''fully wipe in β€3 rounds''' while still alive (engine RF + one-shot clear): | |||
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{| class="wikitable" | |||
!Fleet (~equal tonnage) | |||
!Tonnage | |||
!Fighters cleared (β€3r) | |||
!Kamikazes cleared (β€3r) | |||
|- | |||
|'''1''' [[Colossus]] | |||
|2829 | |||
|'''~105''' | |||
|'''~120''' | |||
|- | |||
|'''1.5''' [[Titan]] (same mass as 1 Colossus) | |||
|~2832 | |||
|'''~90''' | |||
|'''~113''' | |||
|- | |||
|'''3''' [[Battlecruiser|Battlecruisers]] | |||
|2925 | |||
|'''~270''' | |||
|'''~315''' | |||
|- | |||
|'''30''' [[Heavy Cruiser|Heavy Cruisers]] | |||
|2820 | |||
|'''~460''' | |||
|'''~1080''' | |||
|} | |||
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'''Read it this way:''' | |||
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* Per tonnage, '''mid Heavy Cruisers''' still clear the largest light screens β many hulls Γ solid RF (Γ7 Fighter / Γ12 Kamikaze). | |||
* '''Battlecruisers''' are the capital screen specialists: far above a lone Colossus/Titan on crumbs, still below a full HC line. | |||
* '''Colossus / Titan''' are not useless vs fodder anymore (tens of kills per round), but their job is not βbest pure swarm eraserβ β they bring siege / mid-line RF and raw toughness. | |||
* If the light swarm is '''enormous''', return fire can end the fight in '''one''' round β you only get that first volleyβs RF kills. The table above is the size you can still '''finish''' in three rounds. | |||
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'''Takeaway:''' Equal tonnage β equal anti-swarm. Capitals gained real RF; '''count Γ RF''' still favors a mid screen-clear line for pure Fighter/Kamikaze farms. | |||
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=== Quick comparison table === | |||
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{| class="wikitable" | |||
!Case | |||
!Attack | |||
!Target hull | |||
!RF | |||
!Expected this round (1 shooter) | |||
|- | |||
|Chip, no RF | |||
|10 | |||
|15 | |||
|none | |||
|Wound only (0 kills) | |||
|- | |||
|Chip, RF Γ2 | |||
|10 | |||
|15 | |||
|Γ2 | |||
|Often '''1 kill''' (two chips) | |||
|- | |||
|One-shot, no RF | |||
|10 | |||
|8 | |||
|none | |||
|'''1 kill''' | |||
|- | |||
|One-shot, RF Γ2 | |||
|10 | |||
|8 | |||
|Γ2 | |||
|'''~2 kills''' | |||
|- | |||
|Overkill, no RF | |||
|100 | |||
|10 | |||
|none | |||
|'''1 kill''' (90 wasted) | |||
|- | |||
|Overkill, RF Γ5 | |||
|100 | |||
|10 | |||
|Γ5 | |||
|'''~5 kills''' (not 10+) | |||
|} | |||
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== What players feel in real fleets == | |||
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* High RF into a type you '''can''' kill (or finish with the extra shots) β that line melts fast. | |||
* Realm 4 capitals now carry real anti-fodder RF (tens of shots) β pure light spam is no longer a free answer to a lone capital stack. | |||
* High RF into a type your gun '''cannot''' break β mostly wasted catalog text; raise firepower or pick a better counter. | |||
* Mixing endless cargo/probes in front of capitals does '''not''' give capitals free multi-kill budgets. | |||
* [[Carrier|Carriers]] make enemy RF softer against your fleet, but never erase a strong RF edge completely. | |||
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== Practical tips == | == Practical tips == | ||
* Bring Carriers when you expect RF-heavy enemy fleets (Battlecruisers, Destroyers, etc. into your light lines). | * Bring Carriers when you expect RF-heavy enemy fleets (Battlecruisers, Titans, Colossi, Destroyers, etc. into your light lines). | ||
* | * Do not rely on cargo/probes to βsoakβ RF kill budgets for your capitals. | ||
* Check each ship pageβs rapid-fire list when theorycrafting counters. | * Against pure light swarms, prefer the capital whose RF matches the screen (Battlecruiser / Colossus for crumbs; Titan when mid hulls mix in). | ||
* Check each ship or defense pageβs rapid-fire list when theorycrafting counters β and ask βcan this gun actually kill that hull in one shot (or two with RF)?β | |||
* Soft defense spam still needs enough '''shots that land after shields'''; RF on turrets only helps if the damage reaches hull. Colony ships and turrets share '''one''' attacker [[Damage and Shields|shield pool]] each round (not two separate absorbs). | |||
* Turrets follow the same [[Targeting and Priority|front-screen bias]] as fleets when they fire β and when ships + turrets fire together, that priority is applied once to the combined volley. | |||
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Latest revision as of 21:36, 17 September 2026
Rapid Fire
Rapid Fire (RF) is a combat modifier between unit types. The catalog value (for example Γ5) is how many shots one shooter expects against that target type in a round β OGame-style β not a free damage multiplier and not unlimited splash kills.
RF is capped at 40 in combat calculations (so capital anti-fodder values in the Γ30βΓ40 band are not clipped). Carrier screens can soften effective RF (see below).
Core rules (remember these)
- One shot hits one target. Full weapon damage goes into that one unit.
- Overkill is wasted. If you deal 100 damage to a 10-hull ship, the leftover 90 does not jump to the next ship.
- RF adds more shots, not bigger guns. Expected shots β catalog RF when you keep hitting that RF type (after screens).
- RF cannot invent kills if your attack is too weak to finish (or meaningfully chip) the target β you still need damage.
- Soft / logistics hulls with RF 1 do not donate unused kill slots to capitals.
| Without RF | With RF ΓR |
|---|---|
| 1 shot per living shooter per round | About R shots per living shooter per round (expected) against that target type |
| High attack vs soft swarm β mostly 1 kill (rest overkill wasted) | High attack vs soft swarm β about R kills if each shot one-shots |
| Low attack vs tough hull β chips one target | Low attack Γ R shots β more total chip damage; may finish a wounded ship in the same round |
Worked examples
Numbers below are toy examples (one attacker, one round, ignore shields/screens) so the logic is obvious. Real battles also use targeting priority, shared shield pools (ships + turrets share one absorb), and Carrier RF cancel.
1) Small attack vs higher hull β no RF
- Attacker: 10 attack, no RF
- Targets: ships with 15 hull each
| What happens | Result |
|---|---|
| 1 shot deals 10 into one ship | That ship goes 15 β 5 hull |
| No second shot | 0 kills this round β target is wounded, not dead |
| Next rounds | Need another ~10 damage into the same (or another) hull to finish |
Takeaway: Low attack without RF is slow; you chip, you do not clear lines in one volley.
2) Small attack vs higher hull β with RF Γ2
- Attacker: 10 attack, RF Γ2 against that type
- Targets: 15 hull each
| What happens | Result |
|---|---|
| Expected ~2 shots Γ 10 damage | About 20 damage applied as two separate hits |
| Shot 1 | One ship 15 β 5 |
| Shot 2 (often) | Finishes the wounded ship (5 β 0) or chips a second ship |
| Compared to no RF | You can get a kill in one round that RF 1 could not |
Takeaway: RF does not raise the gun from 10 β 20 on one hit. It gives another 10-damage shot. That is how low attack still βfeelsβ RF.
3) Small attack vs lower hull β no RF vs RF Γ2
- Attacker: 10 attack
- Targets: 8 hull each (one shot is enough to kill)
| Setup | Per round (expected) |
|---|---|
| No RF | 1 kill β 10 damage into one 8-hull ship; 2 overkill wasted |
| RF Γ2 | About 2 kills β two separate one-shots; each wastes a little overkill |
| Not what happens | You do not get floor(10/8)=1 kill from leftover splash without RF, and you do not get floor(20/8)=2 from merging damage into one pool |
Takeaway: When you already one-shot the target, RF β extra kills per round equal to extra shots.
4) Very high attack vs tiny hull β no RF
- Attacker: 100 attack, no RF
- Targets: 10 hull swarm (20+ ships)
| What happens | Result |
|---|---|
| 1 shot dumps 100 into one 10-hull ship | 1 kill; leftover 90 is wasted |
| Rest of the swarm | Untouched this round by that shooter |
| Wrong intuition | Not β100Γ·10 = 10 killsβ |
Takeaway: Big guns without RF are inefficient vs soft spam β classic reason RF exists.
5) Very high attack vs tiny hull β with RF Γ5
- Attacker: 100 attack, RF Γ5 against that soft type
- Targets: 10 hull swarm
| What happens | Result |
|---|---|
| Expected ~5 full shots | About 5 kills per round if every shot hits that type and one-shots |
| Still wasted overkill | Each shot still throws away ~90 vs a 10-hull ship |
| Hard ceiling (feel) | About RF kills per shooter per round, not millions from raw attackΓ·hull |
| Safety in the combat model | Destroys of a given type are also bounded by roughly shooter count Γ RF (and you still need the damage) |
Takeaway: Capitals shred swarms through many shots, not by splashing one mega-hit across the whole blob.
6) Capital vs fighter swarm β why high RF matters
- Attacker: one Colossus (huge attack, RF Γ35 vs Fighter)
- Targets: a large Fighter swarm (each Fighter dies to one Colossus shot)
| What happens | Result |
|---|---|
| Without meaningful RF (old feel: ~Γ3) | About 3 Fighters die per round β most of the Colossus gun is wasted as overkill into one tiny hull |
| With capital anti-fodder RF (~Γ35) | About 35 Fighters die per round from that one Colossus (still one kill per shot; leftover attack on each Fighter is wasted) |
| Still not unlimited | Ceiling is catalog RF (and the combat Γ40 cap) β not βattack Γ· Fighter hullβ |
How the three Realm 4 capitals split the job (feel, not a full table):
- Battlecruiser β strongest everyday screen clearer (Kamikaze / Fighter / Corvette / Frigate / soft logistics).
- Titan β fleet breaker: solid light RF plus the best mid-line Rapid Fire (Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Heavy Cruiser, Dreadnought).
- Colossus β highest light-fodder RF and the siege kit (soft turrets / domes), so a lone capital is no longer helpless against crumb swarms.
Carrier screens still cut enemy RF (at most by half) β swarms with Carriers remain a real answer, just not βignore every capital.β
Takeaway: Capitals counter fodder the OGame way β many shots β not withΒ %-damage reduction vs lower tiers.
7) Same tonnage, different hulls β who clears the screen?
Roughly one Colossus of tonnage (~2830) as four fleets, no research, asking how many soft hulls they can fully wipe in β€3 rounds while still alive (engine RF + one-shot clear):
| Fleet (~equal tonnage) | Tonnage | Fighters cleared (β€3r) | Kamikazes cleared (β€3r) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 Colossus | 2829 | ~105 | ~120 |
| 1.5 Titan (same mass as 1 Colossus) | ~2832 | ~90 | ~113 |
| 3 Battlecruisers | 2925 | ~270 | ~315 |
| 30 Heavy Cruisers | 2820 | ~460 | ~1080 |
Read it this way:
- Per tonnage, mid Heavy Cruisers still clear the largest light screens β many hulls Γ solid RF (Γ7 Fighter / Γ12 Kamikaze).
- Battlecruisers are the capital screen specialists: far above a lone Colossus/Titan on crumbs, still below a full HC line.
- Colossus / Titan are not useless vs fodder anymore (tens of kills per round), but their job is not βbest pure swarm eraserβ β they bring siege / mid-line RF and raw toughness.
- If the light swarm is enormous, return fire can end the fight in one round β you only get that first volleyβs RF kills. The table above is the size you can still finish in three rounds.
Takeaway: Equal tonnage β equal anti-swarm. Capitals gained real RF; count Γ RF still favors a mid screen-clear line for pure Fighter/Kamikaze farms.
Quick comparison table
| Case | Attack | Target hull | RF | Expected this round (1 shooter) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chip, no RF | 10 | 15 | none | Wound only (0 kills) |
| Chip, RF Γ2 | 10 | 15 | Γ2 | Often 1 kill (two chips) |
| One-shot, no RF | 10 | 8 | none | 1 kill |
| One-shot, RF Γ2 | 10 | 8 | Γ2 | ~2 kills |
| Overkill, no RF | 100 | 10 | none | 1 kill (90 wasted) |
| Overkill, RF Γ5 | 100 | 10 | Γ5 | ~5 kills (not 10+) |
What players feel in real fleets
- High RF into a type you can kill (or finish with the extra shots) β that line melts fast.
- Realm 4 capitals now carry real anti-fodder RF (tens of shots) β pure light spam is no longer a free answer to a lone capital stack.
- High RF into a type your gun cannot break β mostly wasted catalog text; raise firepower or pick a better counter.
- Mixing endless cargo/probes in front of capitals does not give capitals free multi-kill budgets.
- Carriers make enemy RF softer against your fleet, but never erase a strong RF edge completely.
Carrier screen
Carriers (and similar escorts with RF-cancel) soften enemy rapid fire against your fleet:
- Each Carrier contributes cancel/cover points (Carrier: 2 cancel points covering 20 friendly hulls each in catalog terms).
- Screen points are capped (about 3 cancel points max in the combat model).
- Screens cancel at most half of the attackerβs RF advantage β you always keep at least half of a strong RF edge.
- Screens are recomputed each round β lost Carriers mean thinner protection later in the fight.
- Guardian class improves RF cancel effectiveness (about +50% to cancel points).
Screens reduce RF pressure; they do not erase it.
Practical tips
- Bring Carriers when you expect RF-heavy enemy fleets (Battlecruisers, Titans, Colossi, Destroyers, etc. into your light lines).
- Do not rely on cargo/probes to βsoakβ RF kill budgets for your capitals.
- Against pure light swarms, prefer the capital whose RF matches the screen (Battlecruiser / Colossus for crumbs; Titan when mid hulls mix in).
- Check each ship or defense pageβs rapid-fire list when theorycrafting counters β and ask βcan this gun actually kill that hull in one shot (or two with RF)?β
- Soft defense spam still needs enough shots that land after shields; RF on turrets only helps if the damage reaches hull. Colony ships and turrets share one attacker shield pool each round (not two separate absorbs).
- Turrets follow the same front-screen bias as fleets when they fire β and when ships + turrets fire together, that priority is applied once to the combined volley.